When you think of the term 'dove' you think of the White Dove. The White Dove has been one of the most universal symbols of love and peace throughout history!
Michelle - 2011-10-26 6 days ago a white dove made its home on my front porch rocker. We have bird food out for him and any other bird to eat. I put out water for him, but I am afraid that the cool fall nights might be to much for him. He is wild and we can not get real close to him. What should I make as a nest/house for him to be warm and comfortable?
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Charlie Roche - 2011-10-26 You can take a and make sort of a bird house and put carefresh in it or torn up papers. You can put up a mail box and put torn up paper etc in there. You can just put the bird house or mail box close to the rocker and give him an alternative. You can just put some old t-shirts or clothes on the front porch rocker. I'd just give him extra stuff that he can add to his already built home on the front porch. It is hard because if you do anything too mucxh - he might just fly off.
Michelle - 2011-10-26 Charlie, you have been very helpful. Thank you SOOOO Much. I do not want him to leave yet, I feel a strange comfort knowing he is out on my porch. I now that may sound weird.
Cheryl - 2011-10-29 Similar thing happened to us about 5 years ago. White dove, now Cedric, showed up in our back yard hovering under a shrub. He hopped into my hand and he has lived in a large cage in our backyard ever since. He sings and coos and has many other friend doves that join him in the yard.
Kative - 2011-10-19 I noticed you recommended pet stores and breeders as sources to get doves, but I got mine from my local shelter. There are also lots of bird rescues who try to re-home birds. It would be great to see more of these options promoted. Thanks!
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Charlie Roche - 2011-10-20 Thank you for mentioning that. There are perfectly wonderful, gorgeous and tame birds in many shelters throughout the United States. These birds might take a little more attention intitially but are worth every minute of it.
Corie - 2010-12-15 I was given a white dove about 6 years ago. After taking him to a pet store to determine if he was a boy or girl, I was told he was a boy. Yesterday he laid an egg. Is it typical for doves to live 6 - 7 years before laying their very first egg? Is it possible for a male dove to lay an egg?
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Editor's Note - 2010-12-16 Males don't lay eggs so I hope you named her Marty or something that works for both sexes! As for when they lay eggs, 8 months of age is when they usually can be paired up and start laying eggs. Your dove obviously is not typical but as an unpaired single it probably isn't anything to worry about.
Jessica - 2011-08-11 I was looking for just that answer I have an unpaird dove that has been laying eggs all summer, the pet store also told us that she was a he. I've been worried cause I didnt think it was normal for a unpaired dove to lay eggs.
Charlie Roche - 2011-08-11 Females lay eggs. This doesn't always happen but it is not unusual. Females just lay eggs. Think of chickens... Usually, something triggers it but sometimes absolutely nothing. She may not lay an egg for 15 years and then lay an egg and then it might not happen again for another 15 years. It is best to just take the egg and place it in some sort of box or plastic container with a little bedding (shredded paper towel, sawdust, carefresh) and let her sit the egg if she wishes. Eventually, she will get tired of it or realize nothing in there and stop. If you pull the egg, the chances are good that she will lay another and another and run into problems possibly with egg binding or a calcium deficiency. Just let her have the egg until she gets tired of it. It takes about 28 days for an egg to hatch and obviously without a mate, the egg won't hatch and she is usually way bored of the sitting before this. It is a surprise, it is a shock but it is not unusual. A specialized bird store will normally knoiw the sex of a bird - and most times they are correct. The chain pet stores do not klnow the sex and just guess. They won't have spent monies on DNA sexing and the breeders for the less expensive birds really can't afford it. Sometimes there are visual differences - parakeets with the male cere normally being a blue color but many times not. So you pays your money and takes the little guy home and you don't know the sex. Surprise - bunch of years later there is an egg and you thought a boy. Interesting surprise.
Michelle. - 2011-09-04 Hello there. I breed white doves. No, it is not at all possible for a male dove to lay an egg. A female dove will have a hole about the size of a dime under her belly closer to her tail. A male dove will have a tuft of feathers in about the same spot. Also, the average total life span of a dove is typically 7-11 years. They can start breeding and laying eggs as early as 6 months of age.
Paul Scola - 2011-10-14 I am proud to be the uncle of four white doves they are about 2-4 months old.It was to me a difficult task to determine the sexes for I started out with 5 who were given to me by a magician so I let them live in a large cage when to my surprise one day I saw an egg on the floor,so I immediately assembled a small box some shredded newspaper a few clothes-pins to support the cage,and observed that a specific two birds tended to the nest.I seperated them to a cge of thier own and since then have proudly raised four. I wonder what to do next?????should I leave them all togather till I see them pair off???? I shurly do not know how to determine the sexes,and I would like to continue to breed them,they are really cool.write to me at drsasss@aol.com if you please
mary - 2011-09-28 At the beginning of summer, a white dove or pigeon came to my house and has never left. I feed her wild bird seed, millet, and so it looks as if she likes it here, what do I do in the winter? I live in MI. How could I catch her. She'll come almost to the tips of my fingers then dashes away.
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Charlie Roche - 2011-09-29 WOW I got the problem as it would be too cold for her to survive in Michigan throughout the winter. I know of 3 ways to catch her and you would have to pick the one you'd be most comfortable with. The problem is if you scare her - then she might not come back to the home to eat for awhile. 1. You say she comes to the tips of your fingers. If you are right handed then put down your left hand with some millet or cheerios or cracker with honey. When she is eating the food in your left hand - grab her around the shoulders with your right and pull her immediately to your chest and hold her. She is not going to bite - she might peck but doesn't really hurt. 2. Take a crate/cage and put the food in the crate/cage with a string/rope tied to the door. You can let her eat in the crate/cage for a few days/weeks just so she relaxes and gets used to it. One day when she goes in the crate/cage to eat - pull the door closed. This is probably the easiest way and the dove will get used to eating in the cage/crate and possibly see it as home 3. When she is eating and you can get close to her, use a butterly or bird net to catch her. You just bring the net over the dove and down. Twist the net over and again just take the dove in the home or hold the dove to your chest. If you decide to use a net - practice first. You have time as it isn't winter and it is awhile off. Possibly the dove will let you pick her up if she continues to see you and especially if you can feed her with your hand. So try the feeding with your hand for awhile first as she just might actually step up onto your hand sooner than you think.
Elisha Metcalf - 2011-09-05 I don't know if anyone is still responding to this thread but I read a lot of the posts and so far this has been very helpful. We found a white dove on at my husbands work (he runs a landfill). She hanging around for a few hours so I sent my son and brother to go get her. Good thing I did as I looked up online and found they are domesticated and do not live well in the wild at all. Plus, we have a bad storm here right now! I have no idea where to begin with her. Does she live indoors in a cage or outdoors? What can I feed her? Is dove food easy to find? She has bugs all over her how can I get rid of them? I guess I will keep her in a box or something for tonight and will hopefully be able to figure something out tomorrow. ANY advice would be greatly appreciated! I don't know anything about raising domesticated birds let alone doves because I have never been a fan of the idea of having birds as pets, a bird in a cage just seems so cruel to me. But in this case it would be more of a rescue situation so I would be more ok with the idea. Thank you for all of your stories, please HELP!!!!
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Daniel llamas - 2011-09-05 I don't know nothing really about white doves but I just found one outside my apartment it was injured dont really know what to do with it I put it in a box for tonight and gave him rice,pieces of tortilla and water see what happens tomorow.
Elisha Metcalf - 2011-09-06 Thank you so much for your reply Toby! I had read so much about doves at so many different websites I didn't remember which one it was that I actually asked the question on. Anyway, I think I would like to keep her. From everything I've read they seem like a relatively easy pet to keep and I just feel like she was meant to be with me for some reason. We've named her Dovey Franklin. (I love Benjamin ;) We got her a wild bird seed mix and some grit from petco. I've put them in separate bowls along with fresh water. I keep her in one of those plastic totes that come with lids that you store away holiday decorations etc. with a towel that I keep changing a couple times a day. I just cut a shoe box in half and filled it with soft scraps of cloth for a little makeshift nest to make her feel more safe tonight. She flies but not too far and not too well. She has a pretty rough landing and falls forward and appears a little off balance at times but she is eating and pooping well and seems fine considering. I also got her some Ultra Care Mite and Lice Spray and have sprayed her a few times and am just hoping it works pretty quickly. I just feel bad for her for having those all over her and I would like not having to deal with a mite infestation in my house. We are trying to figure out (my husband and I) if what kind of cage we are going to get or we are possibly looking into making a custom one. I'd love to have her something for outside too so she can go out when the weathers nice. Do you think it's ok to have just one and do you have any idea how to tell the sex? Again, thank you so much for your reply, I didn't know if anyone was listening. :) Daniel, how crazy that we found a white dove on the exact same day.
frank cade - 2011-09-02 Could someone give me info on why I can't get white doves to breed? I have 9 in a very large cage and I know there are males but they never hatch young. Thanks
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Anonymous - 2011-09-02 Do you know if the eggs are fertile? Are the eggs fertile and the females not sitting them or are the eggs infertile. How many eggs in a clutch. Are there just the two eggs. White doves usually (normally) ever have 2 eggs. Do you have 3 or more eggs and possibly two females using the same nest box? What do you mean large cage? Friend of mine is breeding several pairs in a large cage - it is the size of a 4 car garage. White doves are not known for community breeding situations. They usually like privacy. They usually adapt though. Also, how many nest boxes do you have up? Have you seen any mutual preening (mating) between the pairs? There are many reasons - I am sure. I would like to help but I would need more information. OK? Sometimes they just don't know how to do it and it takes awhile before they catch on.
Lela - 2009-08-16 I have a rather large bird feeder in my yard under a large tree. The feeder is attached to a pulley and a rope. I raise and lower the feeder by the pulley to fill it. I always have a lot of birds of all kinds. The other evening at dusk I noticed there were no birds around. I stepped out side and in another tree sat a beautiful, single white dove. It was not afraid and did not fly away. I went out a number of times and it just watched me. The next morning I went out to fill the bird feeder for the week. I noticed as I walked out the door the beautiful, white dove was sitting in the same place in the same poise. It did not move and was not frightened. I watched it's eyes. The eyes followed me as I filled the bird feeder. I watered some plants that were directly under the feeder. I went into the house. I never saw the dove feed. But I did notice that there were no other birds around all morning. The only other time I saw anything like this was when a Blue Jay came around. All the birds left for awhile as long as the Blue Jay was around the feeder. Can anyone tell me if this a normal reaction of the birds? Does a white dove usually show up at dusk? Does it have an oman when it does show up at a home and stays for awhile (except that it is hungry)? Any comments would be really appreciated. Thanks for making my day ... you little white, winged dove.
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Charlie Roche - 2011-08-23 I have had birds fly into the screen and some into the house. Some are fine and some are stunned. The ones that are stunned just don't move much - if at all. Their eyes are open but they don't really move. I pick them up to keep them warm and sometimes will place them in a box or on a towel to keep them warm again. I offer food/water etc. I pet them and they seem so content with that. Maybe they listen to see where the flock is. Maybe they are just comfortable. Sometimes they just won't let go of my hand or finger. Strange. Sometime I wonder if I have another permanent house guest. But whether it is a few hours - or even a couple of days, they return to their flock. I just take them out often and let them sit on my hand and they seem to cock their head, listen and then fly away.
Joe - 2011-08-22 I was out cleaning my garbage holder with a water hose. I heard bird wings flutter behind me.....I was stooping down....and when I turned around I saw this big white dove .. just behind me. It did not fly away as I approached it... So I got a container to put out water for the dove...and went into the house to get some dry oatmeal and regular bird seed...and placed beside the water container. I went back into the house....and hours later when I came back outside....the dove was gone (seemingly) and hour or two later I drove my wifes car around to take a bag of garbage to the dump... I got out of the car....put the bag in the back of the station wagon....got in the car....and the bird appeared against the window. We left and returned about an hour later....The dove was perched on top of my truck and is still there... I placed the water and oatmeal/birdseed on top of the truck near the bird....which did not fly away... not sure what to do......must be someones pet.....any suggestions? Joe
lorna mc keever - 2011-08-16 Ten white doves were released near my home. They have not flown away. I am sure what to do. They seem quite tame. Any advice what to do with them?
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Charlie Roche - 2011-08-16 You can call the USDA or Fish and Game in your state. I really wouldn't know anything else to do and maybe they would know.
Lara Sharber5 - 2011-08-08 One very brave white dove or homing pigeon is visiting my neighbor and good friend, Lural. He was unsure of the type of bird and came over with this wonderful story about Blanca the white dove. After reading up on the dove/pigeon similarities, we believe Blanca to be a sign of peace in that he/she is deffinitely a dove. Lural feared that one of the many felines or Isis, their guard dog, might harm her but despite the danger, Blanca has moved into Casey's room, Lural's roomate. The information here helped us to understand more about the nature of the white dove. We found it to be very useful. I'll keep you updated on the rest of Blanca's journey.
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Charlie Roche - 2011-08-09 Aren't they soothing. Love that small little noise they make.
When you think of the term 'dove' you think of the White Dove. The White Dove has been one of the most universal symbols of love and peace throughout history!
6 days ago a white dove made its home on my front porch rocker. We have bird food out for him and any other bird to eat. I put out water for him, but I am afraid that the cool fall nights might be to much for him. He is wild and we can not get real close to him. What should I make as a nest/house for him to be warm and comfortable?
You can take a and make sort of a bird house and put carefresh in it or torn up papers. You can put up a mail box and put torn up paper etc in there. You can just put the bird house or mail box close to the rocker and give him an alternative. You can just put some old t-shirts or clothes on the front porch rocker. I'd just give him extra stuff that he can add to his already built home on the front porch. It is hard because if you do anything too mucxh - he might just fly off.
Charlie, you have been very helpful. Thank you SOOOO Much. I do not want him to leave yet, I feel a strange comfort knowing he is out on my porch. I now that may sound weird.
Similar thing happened to us about 5 years ago. White dove, now Cedric, showed up in our back yard hovering under a shrub. He hopped into my hand and he has lived in a large cage in our backyard ever since. He sings and coos and has many other friend doves that join him in the yard.
I noticed you recommended pet stores and breeders as sources to get doves, but I got mine from my local shelter. There are also lots of bird rescues who try to re-home birds. It would be great to see more of these options promoted. Thanks!
Thank you for mentioning that. There are perfectly wonderful, gorgeous and tame birds in many shelters throughout the United States. These birds might take a little more attention intitially but are worth every minute of it.
I was given a white dove about 6 years ago. After taking him to a pet store to determine if he was a boy or girl, I was told he was a boy. Yesterday he laid an egg. Is it typical for doves to live 6 - 7 years before laying their very first egg? Is it possible for a male dove to lay an egg?
Males don't lay eggs so I hope you named her Marty or something that works for both sexes! As for when they lay eggs, 8 months of age is when they usually can be paired up and start laying eggs. Your dove obviously is not typical but as an unpaired single it probably isn't anything to worry about.
I was looking for just that answer I have an unpaird dove that has been laying eggs all summer, the pet store also told us that she was a he. I've been worried cause I didnt think it was normal for a unpaired dove to lay eggs.
Females lay eggs. This doesn't always happen but it is not unusual. Females just lay eggs. Think of chickens... Usually, something triggers it but sometimes absolutely nothing. She may not lay an egg for 15 years and then lay an egg and then it might not happen again for another 15 years. It is best to just take the egg and place it in some sort of box or plastic container with a little bedding (shredded paper towel, sawdust, carefresh) and let her sit the egg if she wishes. Eventually, she will get tired of it or realize nothing in there and stop. If you pull the egg, the chances are good that she will lay another and another and run into problems possibly with egg binding or a calcium deficiency. Just let her have the egg until she gets tired of it. It takes about 28 days for an egg to hatch and obviously without a mate, the egg won't hatch and she is usually way bored of the sitting before this. It is a surprise, it is a shock but it is not unusual. A specialized bird store will normally knoiw the sex of a bird - and most times they are correct. The chain pet stores do not klnow the sex and just guess. They won't have spent monies on DNA sexing and the breeders for the less expensive birds really can't afford it. Sometimes there are visual differences - parakeets with the male cere normally being a blue color but many times not. So you pays your money and takes the little guy home and you don't know the sex. Surprise - bunch of years later there is an egg and you thought a boy. Interesting surprise.
Hello there. I breed white doves. No, it is not at all possible for a male dove to lay an egg. A female dove will have a hole about the size of a dime under her belly closer to her tail. A male dove will have a tuft of feathers in about the same spot. Also, the average total life span of a dove is typically 7-11 years. They can start breeding and laying eggs as early as 6 months of age.
I am proud to be the uncle of four white doves they are about 2-4 months old.It was to me a difficult task to determine the sexes for I started out with 5 who were given to me by a magician so I let them live in a large cage when to my surprise one day I saw an egg on the floor,so I immediately assembled a small box some shredded newspaper a few clothes-pins to support the cage,and observed that a specific two birds tended to the nest.I seperated them to a cge of thier own and since then have proudly raised four.
I wonder what to do next?????should I leave them all togather till I see them pair off???? I shurly do not know how to determine the sexes,and I would like to continue to breed them,they are really cool.write to me at drsasss@aol.com if you please
At the beginning of summer, a white dove or pigeon came to my house and has never left. I feed her wild bird seed, millet, and so it looks as if she likes it here, what do I do in the winter? I live in MI. How could I catch her. She'll come almost to the tips of my fingers then dashes away.
WOW I got the problem as it would be too cold for her to survive in Michigan throughout the winter. I know of 3 ways to catch her and you would have to pick the one you'd be most comfortable with. The problem is if you scare her - then she might not come back to the home to eat for awhile. 1. You say she comes to the tips of your fingers. If you are right handed then put down your left hand with some millet or cheerios or cracker with honey. When she is eating the food in your left hand - grab her around the shoulders with your right and pull her immediately to your chest and hold her. She is not going to bite - she might peck but doesn't really hurt. 2. Take a crate/cage and put the food in the crate/cage with a string/rope tied to the door. You can let her eat in the crate/cage for a few days/weeks just so she relaxes and gets used to it. One day when she goes in the crate/cage to eat - pull the door closed. This is probably the easiest way and the dove will get used to eating in the cage/crate and possibly see it as home 3. When she is eating and you can get close to her, use a butterly or bird net to catch her. You just bring the net over the dove and down. Twist the net over and again just take the dove in the home or hold the dove to your chest. If you decide to use a net - practice first. You have time as it isn't winter and it is awhile off. Possibly the dove will let you pick her up if she continues to see you and especially if you can feed her with your hand. So try the feeding with your hand for awhile first as she just might actually step up onto your hand sooner than you think.
Can you have 1 cock in with 2 hens?
No they are territorial and they will fight. Someone will get hurt.
I don't know if anyone is still responding to this thread but I read a lot of the posts and so far this has been very helpful. We found a white dove on at my husbands work (he runs a landfill). She hanging around for a few hours so I sent my son and brother to go get her. Good thing I did as I looked up online and found they are domesticated and do not live well in the wild at all. Plus, we have a bad storm here right now! I have no idea where to begin with her. Does she live indoors in a cage or outdoors? What can I feed her? Is dove food easy to find? She has bugs all over her how can I get rid of them? I guess I will keep her in a box or something for tonight and will hopefully be able to figure something out tomorrow. ANY advice would be greatly appreciated! I don't know anything about raising domesticated birds let alone doves because I have never been a fan of the idea of having birds as pets, a bird in a cage just seems so cruel to me. But in this case it would be more of a rescue situation so I would be more ok with the idea. Thank you for all of your stories, please HELP!!!!
I don't know nothing really about white doves but I just found one outside my apartment it was injured dont really know what to do with it I put it in a box for tonight and gave him rice,pieces of tortilla and water see what happens tomorow.
Thank you so much for your reply Toby! I had read so much about doves at so many different websites I didn't remember which one it was that I actually asked the question on. Anyway, I think I would like to keep her. From everything I've read they seem like a relatively easy pet to keep and I just feel like she was meant to be with me for some reason. We've named her Dovey Franklin. (I love Benjamin ;) We got her a wild bird seed mix and some grit from petco. I've put them in separate bowls along with fresh water. I keep her in one of those plastic totes that come with lids that you store away holiday decorations etc. with a towel that I keep changing a couple times a day. I just cut a shoe box in half and filled it with soft scraps of cloth for a little makeshift nest to make her feel more safe tonight. She flies but not too far and not too well. She has a pretty rough landing and falls forward and appears a little off balance at times but she is eating and pooping well and seems fine considering. I also got her some Ultra Care Mite and Lice Spray and have sprayed her a few times and am just hoping it works pretty quickly. I just feel bad for her for having those all over her and I would like not having to deal with a mite infestation in my house. We are trying to figure out (my husband and I) if what kind of cage we are going to get or we are possibly looking into making a custom one. I'd love to have her something for outside too so she can go out when the weathers nice. Do you think it's ok to have just one and do you have any idea how to tell the sex? Again, thank you so much for your reply, I didn't know if anyone was listening. :)
Daniel, how crazy that we found a white dove on the exact same day.
Could someone give me info on why I can't get white doves to breed? I have 9 in a very large cage and I know there are males but they never hatch young. Thanks
Do you know if the eggs are fertile? Are the eggs fertile and the females not sitting them or are the eggs infertile. How many eggs in a clutch. Are there just the two eggs. White doves usually (normally) ever have 2 eggs. Do you have 3 or more eggs and possibly two females using the same nest box? What do you mean large cage? Friend of mine is breeding several pairs in a large cage - it is the size of a 4 car garage. White doves are not known for community breeding situations. They usually like privacy. They usually adapt though. Also, how many nest boxes do you have up? Have you seen any mutual preening (mating) between the pairs? There are many reasons - I am sure. I would like to help but I would need more information. OK? Sometimes they just don't know how to do it and it takes awhile before they catch on.
I have a rather large bird feeder in my yard under a large tree. The feeder is attached to a pulley and a rope. I raise and lower the feeder by the pulley to fill it. I always have a lot of birds of all kinds. The other evening at dusk I noticed there were no birds around. I stepped out side and in another tree sat a beautiful, single white dove. It was not afraid and did not fly away. I went out a number of times and it just watched me. The next morning I went out to fill the bird feeder for the week. I noticed as I walked out the door the beautiful, white dove was sitting in the same place in the same poise. It did not move and was not frightened. I watched it's eyes. The eyes followed me as I filled the bird feeder. I watered some plants that were directly under the feeder. I went into the house. I never saw the dove feed. But I did notice that there were no other birds around all morning. The only other time I saw anything like this was when a Blue Jay came around. All the birds left for awhile as long as the Blue Jay was around the feeder. Can anyone tell me if this a normal reaction of the birds? Does a white dove usually show up at dusk? Does it have an oman when it does show up at a home and stays for awhile (except that it is hungry)? Any comments would be really appreciated. Thanks for making my day ... you little white, winged dove.
I have had birds fly into the screen and some into the house. Some are fine and some are stunned. The ones that are stunned just don't move much - if at all. Their eyes are open but they don't really move. I pick them up to keep them warm and sometimes will place them in a box or on a towel to keep them warm again. I offer food/water etc. I pet them and they seem so content with that. Maybe they listen to see where the flock is. Maybe they are just comfortable. Sometimes they just won't let go of my hand or finger. Strange. Sometime I wonder if I have another permanent house guest. But whether it is a few hours - or even a couple of days, they return to their flock. I just take them out often and let them sit on my hand and they seem to cock their head, listen and then fly away.
I was out cleaning my garbage holder with a water hose. I heard bird wings
flutter behind me.....I was stooping down....and when I turned around I saw this big white dove .. just behind me. It did not fly away as I approached it... So I got a container to put out water for the dove...and went into the house to get some dry oatmeal and regular bird seed...and placed beside the water container. I went back into the house....and hours later when I came back outside....the dove was gone (seemingly)
and hour or two later I drove my wifes car around to take a bag of garbage to the dump... I got out of the car....put the bag in the back of the station wagon....got in the car....and the bird appeared against the window. We left and returned about an hour later....The dove was perched on top of my truck and is still there... I placed the water and oatmeal/birdseed on top of the truck near the bird....which did not fly away...
not sure what to do......must be someones pet.....any suggestions? Joe
Ten white doves were released near my home. They have not flown away. I am sure what to do. They seem quite tame. Any advice what to do with them?
You can call the USDA or Fish and Game in your state. I really wouldn't know anything else to do and maybe they would know.
One very brave white dove or homing pigeon is visiting my neighbor and good friend, Lural. He was unsure of the type of bird and came over with this wonderful story about Blanca the white dove. After reading up on the dove/pigeon similarities, we believe Blanca to be a sign of peace in that he/she is deffinitely a dove. Lural feared that one of the many felines or Isis, their guard dog, might harm her but despite the danger, Blanca has moved into Casey's room, Lural's roomate. The information here helped us to understand more about the nature of the white dove. We found it to be very useful. I'll keep you updated on the rest of Blanca's journey.
Aren't they soothing. Love that small little noise they make.